“Many women of color, like their Anglo counterparts, eschew the term ‘feminism’ while agreeing with it’s goals (the right to an abortion, equality in job hiring, girls’ soccer teams). But women of color also dismiss the label because the feminist movement has largely focused on the concerns of middle-class women… . Attempts to address the racism of the feminist movement have largely been token efforts without lasting effects. Many young women of color still feel alienated from a mainstream feminism that doesn’t explicitly address race… . Feminism in the United States has stagnated in part because it has largely neglected a class and race analysis.”—
“Feminism’s Future Young Feminists of Color Take the Mic” Daisy Hernández (via false-catalyst)
Great ok, seeing a lot of this lately. Feminism is about equality for women. Not equality among races. Race isn’t usually addressed because equal races isn’t the goal. Equal sexes is the goal. So yes you can say it sucks because often the goals are based in middle-class, but leave it at that. Lower class people exist in all races. WOMEN exist in all races.
“equal races isn’t the goal. Equal sexes is the goal.” “WOMEN exist in all races.”
Then women of ALL. RACES. need to be represented. Women are not equal unless ALL WOMEN - of all races and all classes and all sexual minorities - are equal. If white women are “equal” to white men, and women of color are not “equal” to white women (and thus white men),
Yes I am SO privileged. You don’t know me. Don’t make assumptions.
And yes I get that, I see what’s being said. I just think there is way too much focus on race. If people think that being part of a non-white race makes them not fought for as part of feminism then they’re wrong. Getting women equal pay has nothing to do with class or race. Getting women to be treated with respect isn’t based on class or race either. If women of color want something specific to be done, they shouldn’t be dismissing feminism, they should embrace it and change it! Get MORE involved not less!!
^Yes please, take it out of context to make me look like a total asshole. Thank you.
Racism is indeed a horrible issue. Yes it bleeds into everything and anything it possibly can.
But seriously, thank you for ignoring the rest of what I say and taking something that sounds bad out of context. Super appreciate that. :)
I left the entire fucking thing quoted, and have done so in every reblog. I’m not ignoring what you’re saying, I’m pointing out that it’s problematic. Get the fuck over it. If/when you can give me anything to actually support your “point” then rejoin this discussion. Until then go talk to Dan Savage or someone equally ignorant to the real-world effects of any issue they aren’t directly personally affected by.
That commentary about race being made into too big of a deal is really disgusting. You just completely made me feel, as a black woman, like feminists like you just don’t give a fuck. Aaron’s reaction was completely just, he is pointing out exactly the privilege oozing out of that statement. Daisy Hernandez is correct. I only identify as a feminist because of the black women writers and activists who have re-framed what it means to be a feminist and who it claims to involve. Black feminism does so much more in working to include race, class, gender, and sexuality among other things to make feminism more inclusive. Not just because it’s the right thing to do but also because a movement will only be as successful as its tactics. White women feminists can continue to hammer on the “oh but we are all women and women need equality” tip but it really just continues to alienate. Women of color, disabled people and non-binary or genderqueer/fluid/trans people cannot and should not join feminist movements that do not take into account how oppression of gender is often dictated by the other stations in life these people hold. “If women of color want something done” nice line. If we want something done, we band together and do it. We don’t bow down to white feminists who don’t even think of us to run to their movements and ask them to finally include us. Like really? You except US to defer to YOU when WE have a more COLLECTIVE KNOWLEDGE of how unequal gender relations really are?!?!?!?! That’s so fucking arrogant. We’ve done that before, only to see the same reactions like the one above. “We need gender equality first” Basically sounds like you are saying fuck you if black women or latina women or Asian women don’t get treated as well as white women, despite class or gender, we will worry about that later. Fuck that shit.
Dear white feminists that get offended when WOC don’t respond to your false claims of sisterhood. That whiff of Cinderella expectations that comes off of you when you say sisterhood? It tends to turn into a stench of Mammy expectations when we get to close to you. Newsflash my idea of equality does not include cleaning up your messes, or being a stepping stone so that you can get the power to oppress us without being oppressed. No love, those angry women of color that aren’t interested in doing your heavy lifting.
Can someone explain how marriage equality harms marriage? Will equality cut it? Set it on fire? Is there’s a Jets vs. Sharks thing happening? I’m just wondering because I see all of these impassioned defenses of “traditional” marriage and I’m confused. My marriage has yet to catch fire because two…
I have some questions for you. What do you have to gain by hating on bisexuals, or trying to debunk its existence? How does bisexuality affect your life? Does it stop you from finding a partner? Does it affect your finances or overall quality of life?
I’m inquiring about this because it seems that you have a real gear to grind when it comes to bisexuals. Your recent article on The Stranger, in which you attempt to dispel the notion that you are a biphobe, falls quite short. You endeavor to defend yourself, saying that you love bisexuals and wish you saw more of them, yet you spend more time spewing the same biphobic rhetoric which you’re known and disliked for.
In your article, Bisexuals: You Need to Come Out to Your Friends and Spouses—Now, You say,
"But let’s unpack—for Pride Week!—why I’m constantly being accused of bi-phobia, particularly by bisexual men. And it’s basically this: I’m unwilling to pretend that what is, isn’t. Here’s one thing that is: Many adult gays and lesbians identified as bi for a few shining moments during our adolescences and coming-out processes. (We wanted to let our friends down easy; we didn’t want our families to think we’d gone over the dark side entirely.) This can lead adult gays and lesbians—myself included—to doubt the professed sexual identities of bisexual teenagers."
I believe this happens and has happened in the past; I also feel that sexuality is quite fluid, so it’s not necessarily that gay/lesbian people who once identified as bisexual did so only because they wanted to let their family and friends down easy; there are those who identified as bi, and over time, their preferences changed as they changed. I think that you’re going into dangerous territory attempting to tell young bisexual men what they are and what they are NOT. A person’s discovery and acceptance of their sexuality is THEIR journey and theirs alone; to try to make that decision for them would stunt their growth. Teens are not as unsure as we believe them to be, and just like there are people who know from a young age that they’re gay, a lesbian, or were born the wrong gender, there are many people who know and have know as teens that they were and are bisexual.
You also say,
"And here’s another thing that is: Most adult bisexuals, for whatever reason, wind up in opposite-sex relationships. And most comfortably disappear into presumed heterosexuality."
This is one type of relationship that is open for bisexuals. We also wind up in same-sex relationships, poly relationships, celibate, and so on. It seems as though you’re continuing the use the common misconceptions that many have against bisexuals to to further justify your stance instead of attempting to show recognition.
Now, there is one thing that you spoke on that I DO feel needs to be done. There definitely needs to be more Bivisibility. For sure. And it seems as though we bi-folk need to go get this on our own, without your support, which to me is quite sad. The division within the LGBT rainbow is one that I will never understand. I cannot understand how Gays and Lesbians fight to have Heterosexuals see that sexuality isn’t black and white, but yet you perpetuate this same, closed-minded line of thinking within your own movement.
And THAT is main issue I have with YOU, Mr. Savage. This article fails in my opinion because your attempt to dispel the idea that you are bi-phobic fails. You can’t say that you want to see more of us, yet continue to spew the same misconceptions and then basically say, “Well if I’m wrong, PROVE IT! You need to COME OUT!” It’s an entitled mindset that to me doesn’t foster an authentic platform for mutual understanding and respect.
Well…after spending a good week or so debating whether to move on to another blog site, I’ve become another member of tumblr. I believe I’ve outgrown the other blogs I had, and it was time for a change. Something new.